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The Primates of the Anglican Communion met this week to respond the the Windsor Report, a publication of the Lambeth Commission, which was set up to deal with the fundamentalist coup attempt* to take over the Episcopal Church in the USA (ECUSA). The fundies are all excited, because the Primates issued a statement requesting ECUSA and the Anglican Church in Canada to volutarily withdraw from the Anglican Consultative Council, one of the "four instruments of unity" that define the worldwide Anglican Communion. The fundies think that the US and Canadian provinces have been suspended from the Communion.

Wrong.

The ACC only meets every three years or so, so even if ECUSA does withdraw (which it may not, since the request is voluntary) we'll only miss one meeting. Of a council that has no legislative authority at all, especially over autonomous provinces. Meanwhile, our Presiding Bishop can attend whatever meetings he wants. ECUSA is still the only recognized province of the Communion in the USA, and the Anglican Church in Canada is in Canada. The fundies and their various splinter groups are NOT part of the Anglican Communion.

For those not totally bored by all this, click here to read the statement from the Primates.

*Because ECUSA duly elected and consecrated Gene Robinson bishop. Bishop Robinson is openly gay and living with his partner of many years.

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furfairy
Feb. 25th, 2005 04:45 pm (UTC)
Ahh but as in almost every other religion don't the fundies have the demographic (birthrate) advantage? That's one thing that scares me about this world.
qbear
Feb. 27th, 2005 11:52 am (UTC)
True---that numerical majority of Anglicans worldwide are conservative, but they are overwhemingly in Africa and South America. Two areas where the competition (Islam and Roman Catholicism) are conservative too. They see it as a matter of survival. Plus, there are still strong cultural taboos agains homosexuality in Africa--they just do not understand the cultural context the Western provinces experience. But they would be much more tolerant if it weren't for American right-wing fundamentalists encouraging them to be hard-assed about the issue. They've been told if they support the conservatives, they'll get $$$ from the "new" Church leadership when it takes over ECUSA. It'll never happen, however, and the African churches can'r survive without foreign aid, so eventually they'll settle down.
ciddyguy
Feb. 25th, 2005 06:22 pm (UTC)
A very interesting report.

When I got to the paragraph where the primates requested a moritorium on publicly endorsing (or whatever they used) persons of marriage ourside of Christian marriage. My thought was Oh come on... Get real here. This whole flap about Bishop Robinson was really a big ado about nothing really. I belon to St Paul's Episcopal church here in Seattle and it's something like 30% gay/lesbian and we have a seminarian who's gay, been with his partner for something like 8 years, our associate organist is gay, our organist is gay, our Deacon is gay and partnered.

I mean, people need to get a life and stop this OMG, Gays are Christians etc crap.

It doesn't help that the extreme fundies are milking it for all it's worth - and not to mention our own Gov't.

Sorry, I just feel so strongly about this as I would love to be lovingly partnered like you and Steve are. Eventually.
qbear
Feb. 27th, 2005 11:46 am (UTC)
If all the gay clergy and laypeople in leadership left the Episcopal Church, there wouldn't be much left. That's why the vocal fundamentalist minority can't prevail. It's all political--Bob Duncan wants to be Presiding Bishop (actually, to change the title to Archbishop) so badly he can taste it. At the African Primates meeting a few months ago, he was invited and actually dressed up like the Primates and played the role.
ciddyguy
Feb. 27th, 2005 02:08 pm (UTC)
That is certainly good to know. Makes me even more glad to be a part of the Episcopal church after all.

airbearma
Feb. 25th, 2005 09:33 pm (UTC)
When me and my husbeat bearzilla decided to get married here in MA, we did it at our local Unitarian church as most of their parishes are gay friendly.
qbear
Feb. 27th, 2005 11:37 am (UTC)
True..the UUs and the United Church of Christ (not the southern fundamentalist one) are the only mainstream churches that allow openly non-celibate gay clergy. Reform Judaism and the Quakers are also extremely gay-friendly, but I don't know their stand on clergy. And of course, there's the MCC, but they're not considered mainstream, I guess.
ex_nashobabe711
Feb. 26th, 2005 10:23 am (UTC)
The secret is now revealed. What triggered the most recent bout of acute depression and upset (as reported in my LJ a day or so ago), has been my getting stressed out over the fundies trying to take over the Anglican communion.
qbear
Feb. 27th, 2005 11:31 am (UTC)
It's been bothering me more than I like to admit. The main attraction to Anglican spirituality for me is the open nature of it--the fact you don't have to check your brain at the door. I think it's vital for one's spirituality to always be in question, and for there to be freedom to question, doubt, and interpret the faith as the Spirit leads one. This recent fundamentalist attempt to redefine the way Anglicans think and pray and believe--it's all about power and control. They're the current crop of modern-day Pharisees, and I think Jesus would tell 'em off but good, if not whip 'em with a cat 'o nine tails.

Actually, I believe he will. Someone once told me this current conservative backlash is the "dying throes of a failed ideology," and I agree. We are maturing as a spititual people, and even though now those less mature outnumber us in the Anglican Church, I believe we represent where the Spirit is leading the Church now.

There is absolutely no way that ECUSA or ACiC are going to regress. Too many bishops, clergy, and laypeople in leadership positions are progressive, and the minority of conservatives (they claim 10%, but that's including all members of dioceses associated with the "Network" -- my canonical Diocese, Albany, is a member, so I'm counted amongst their numbers, though I've vehemently informed them I do not subscribe to their platform) will shrink in number, and eventually either join one of the splinter groups like AMIA, or form their own "orthodox" church. I love that term--the real Orthodox Church considers them (and all other Xtians, actually) as heretical.

Anyway, be of good hope--as a lesbian Presbyterian pastor I knew who was being ejected from her church said, "The Holy Spirit is wild." Amen.
ex_nashobabe711
Mar. 1st, 2005 05:49 am (UTC)
WHEW -- thank you SO MUCH for a steadying hand (or rather written word, metaphorically) ...
bayarts
Feb. 26th, 2005 05:58 pm (UTC)
Off topic.....
This isn't a very clear picture because I was running behind these too guys at IKEA in Emeryville today, trying to catch up to them (which I never did) and I pulled out my cell phone and snapped this pic as I was running....Would you happen to know who they are? Again...sorry about the poor picture quality...

qbear
Feb. 27th, 2005 11:34 am (UTC)
Re: Off topic.....
Hehheh...you should have screamed at us!!! We don't walk that fast!!!

This was a light day for us at IKEA--we spent less than $20. The hall-shelf unit we wanted was out of stock. And we had just come from a birthday party, so we didn't even get meatballs. Speaking of which, the veggie balls at Costco taste great in spaghetti sauce. I always think of you when we eat meatless meals. :o)
bayarts
Feb. 27th, 2005 11:44 am (UTC)
Re: Off topic.....
I *did* yell at you guys. I was pushing a big cart and was blocked by a bunch of slow-pokes, so when I realized that I wasn't going to be able to catch up to you before you got to the parking lot, I whipped out my camera to at least document the moment. It was great to see you, even though we didn't get to meet this time! I recognized you as though you were old friends.

I'll give those Costco veggie balls a try one of these days .
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